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ABC DEFG said: Interesting idea. How do you propose to combat the inevitable massive increase in the money flow? Would this cup also provide sponsor bonus, home stadium TV rights, full/near full stadium ticket sales (compared to friendlies, which are the only option now once knocked out of the Striker Cup)? If so, I think you'll have a tough sell to the developers. Lets say I play 3 rounds of the Striker Cup, with one at home, and am knocked out. Then I play 5 games in the Silver Cup (call it whatever), with 3 at home. That's an additional, let's say as a guesstimate around 10 million total for me - including split ticket sales, sponsor bonus, tv rights, and subtracting the cost of what I'd earn via friendlies. The developers rightly want to control runaway inflation, and this idea seems contrary to that objective. Again, it's an interesting idea, and one that I'd support, provided the money situation is adequately resolved, and the outstanding bugs are taken care of also. Fixing that which is broken > creating new scenarios, in my opinion. Just my $0.02. the income on tickets could be similar to friendlies |
22/12/2011 16:35 |
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I take your point ABC, But you're neglecting to factor in certain variables: A - No Bot teams in the Silver Cup B - The spread of currency in the game C - It will primarily be lower division teams in the 'Silver Cup' D - Cup money is split between both teams A: It's up to the developers to decide who should enter and at which stage. i.e. at stage 1 - 2 or 1 - 3. Alternatively, it could even be an opt-in competition. A division 5 team with a small squad of 15 may not with to stretch a team in a competition where they're only earning a small amount of money. So let us take into account that there are 15,000 active managers. And let us say for arguments sake that each of these have a team. So dividing 15,000 by 2 until we reach 1 will give us the number of rounds the cup will require. This will require 13 rounds. Of course, there will actually be LESS than 15,000 Teams, as Bots would not be entered into the SIlver Cup, and many other teams will progress into the latter stages of the Striker Cup. So even the number of teams, and the money grossed by these teams would not have any real effect on inflation. Of course, inflation would rise by a small amount, but that is no different to Bertomaister spending 300 Million on a single player. At the same time however, it would help ease the financial strain on many of the smaller teams! B: The spread of the currency in this game is significantly stacked in favour of the higher divisions. I have yet to come across a Division 6 or 7 that has more than 4 active managers. So if we were to take 3 as an average amount of active teams per Div. 6/7 Group, (Which is STILL being generous), The total money earned by all of the lower divisions would still not equate to that of the 16 Division 3 teams. This is not me complaining about anything being unfair. I am merely stating the facts of the money supply in the game. C: The Majority of lower league teams earn between 400K - 1 Million in gate receipts. However, from a gaming point of view, it WOULD make sense for the Silver Cup games to gross somewhere in between a Striker Cup game and a Friendly. However, from explaining the balance of currency in this game, even with the games grossing a normal value, it would still have a negligible effect on inflation. Why? I shall explain later on. D: With regards to your 10 million total - This is something that will be split amongst two teams, and again, it would be dependant on you being drawn at home. Assuming you are drawn at home for every Silver Cup game, you would still have to be knocked out of the Striker Cup fairly early. And whilst this is possible, it is also highly unlikely, And as such, a team of your calibre being in the Silver Cup will be the exception rather than the rule. You should also bear in mind, that if this Silver Cup can have such an effect on inflation, then it is EVEN MORE necessary to have it from an economic standpoint. Reason being, that if by any chance all the major teams were knocked out of the Striker Cup, then due to the lack of money being generated, surely it would lead to massive DEFLATION of the SM Economy? (This argument ONLY makes sense, if it is true that the Silver Cup would lead to large amounts of inflation. My final point here, is about inflation in general. The inflation in this came is DEMAND-PULL inflation, as opposed to COST-PUSH inflation. i.e. The demand from users, for bigger stadia with more money being generated, and more players to improve a team leads to larger amounts of currency in the game. This means that inflation is something that will only settle once Division 1 has been established. Last season, (season 3), Division 7 teams started off with an average of 38. This current season however, has seen Division 3 being established, and making Division 7 an extra tier below from the top. As such, starting averages were dropped to roughly 32. This created a whole new demand for players with averages in their 30s. Coupled with the 2 Million base money all new managers start off with, the 400K price for a 35 average player rose. And if the price of a player costing 400K rose to 800K, this would lead to the prices of 38 and 40 average players and so on rising too. THAT'S one of the major (and unavoidable) factors of inflation in the SM economy. The effect of a second cup competition would be negligible. Hope that helps! Dee, Professor of SM Economics  Oh, and a Detective too haha! |
22/12/2011 18:11 |
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What the hell, why are u guys irritating me with Finance and Economics even in SM, i have enough of it in real life.Just kidding. And DEE u r such a monster, how the hell u typed all this. |
22/12/2011 18:17 |
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Go and troll elsewhere. This is a serious thread. | 22/12/2011 18:17 |
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Dee12345 said: Go and troll elsewhere. This is a serious thread. No man I troll only ethena's thread's u seriously did a tough job, but my question is are dev going to read all this..!! |
22/12/2011 18:19 |
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I hope so! haha | 22/12/2011 18:19 |
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You will have at least this @ backing for this one. Nice idea - logistics may be a bit tricky (managers falling out of SC at different times) but it may well be possible to run a second "Striker Trophy" if they can work around this. |
22/12/2011 18:26 |
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@GunnerNic said: You will have at least this @ backing for this one. Nice idea - logistics may be a bit tricky (managers falling out of SC at different times) but it may well be possible to run a second "Striker Trophy" if they can work around this. AWESOME!  With regards to logistics, it can always be started after the Cut-off point - And hopefully still finish before the Striker Cup Final! |
22/12/2011 18:29 |
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Wow that was an epic post. Which is cool. I'm on mobile t the moment and am generally not so good at the interwebz so hopelly you can tie my statements back to yours. The opt-in piece is good. I like that. It rewards being active and forces people to consciously commit their team and time. I think we will disagree on some points simply because of our economic worldview. Which again is cool, I do enjoy having the discussion, if only for discussions sake! Less bot players = more money available to spend. Bots don't spend, so a cup exclusively for active players means the money is actively spent. My 10 million example is including split revenue - 50% tickets, sponsor bonus, tv rights, billboards. Id earn appx and for arguments sake 10 million from this cup, were I to partake. You seem to make the arguement that the lower div teams need finacial help. Why? Anyone who has played awhile pulled themselves up without help from a second cup - why do they deserve an easier path? Why is "equality" necessary (speaking in the SM world). Let the players earn their money and promotions without a crutch. I think the logistics on when the competition begins really needs to be fleshed out. It shouldn't be a cup to punish those who have and give to those who don't. It seems there could be a grey area where good teams make it in the Striker Cup, but aren't eligible for the Silver cup. If true, as an example if I knew my next Striker Cup opponent will probably beat me, I may tank my Striker Cup game and then roll in the Silver Cup. Throw my game on purpose so I can potentially advance further and reap more money in the Silver Cup. ***I wouldn't actually do that, but some people will. ****my fingers are shot. Typing that much on mobile sucks! |
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