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well just a quick post, in order to simplify you guys are just complicating it more, some know that any over bidding with an intention of helping a manager is already an offence. All you had to do is restate that instead of putting up a well worded 'junior only' kind of *new* rule which infact is an extension of an old rule. It's just *rulebook* would become good for nothing, in the end u will end up with a 1000 page book with rules all saying the same thing. Or did our boss find forum boring n he thought of doing something which would confuse people and start some action?? |
17/10/2012 01:40 |
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Dee12345 said: Cheers, I'll wait for a fiscal to confirm this. And then once there is an official 'cheat term' for it.. e.g. 419 Scam. I will bomb away I wasn't speculating Dee, I may not be @ but I still have my finger on the pulse of the back room changes. This is now punishable. Bombs away! |
17/10/2012 01:56 |
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CelloG said: I wasn't speculating Dee, I may not be @ but I still have my finger on the pulse of the back room changes. This is now punishable. Bombs away! 419 Scam it is!!! |
17/10/2012 01:59 |
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Dee12345 said: Manager (We'll call him Zeus) decides to message Manager Noob. Zeus: Sell this 20/14 CF. He's rubbish, but I will buy, and help you make some money! Noob: Wow, you're a nice guy, I'll put on auction! Zeus: jejejeje - I'll bid 2 million for him at the last minute. Zeus then Forecasts the player, and it will show 91 Progression and 94 Forecast. He then re-auctions, advertises, and sells for 160 Million. This happens all the time, has happened 100 times over since the new rule changes, and will continue to happen. As such, I, and many others, find these new rules to be self defeating. Thanks, CelloG, for explaining these rules' rationale. I disagree that even Dee's above scenerio should be punished though. The benefits of allowing these kinds of transactions to go unregulated seem to me to outweigh risks in both the short and long terms. In general, comments here are consistent with my suspicions about some players' support of these policies. Arguments about new managers not being able to afford players is only window dressing for many players' real concerns -- that they, themselves, are being out-competed by other managers, and want game administrators to protect them. Maybe the scenarios you allude to, CelloG, are so outlandish, with numbers so astronomical or depressed, that they truly do distort the game, and bar other players from reasonably participating and competing. If so, I'd love to read illustrative details, to the extent you or current moderators are permitted to cite examples. But right now, my position is that this and similar policies hinder fairness rather than aid it. Edited by Anonymous01 17-10-2012 09:43 |
17/10/2012 09:34 |
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Anonymous01 said: Dee12345 said: Manager (We'll call him Zeus) decides to message Manager Noob. Zeus: Sell this 20/14 CF. He's rubbish, but I will buy, and help you make some money! Noob: Wow, you're a nice guy, I'll put on auction! Zeus: jejejeje - I'll bid 2 million for him at the last minute. Zeus then Forecasts the player, and it will show 91 Progression and 94 Forecast. He then re-auctions, advertises, and sells for 160 Million. This happens all the time, has happened 100 times over since the new rule changes, and will continue to happen. As such, I, and many others, find these new rules to be self defeating. Thanks, CelloG, for explaining these rules' rationale. I disagree that even Dee's above scenerio should be punished though. The benefits of allowing these kinds of transactions to go unregulated seem to me to outweigh risks in both the short and long terms. In general, comments here are consistent with my suspicions about some players' support of these policies. Arguments about new managers not being able to afford players is only window dressing for many players' real concerns -- that they, themselves, are being out-competed by other managers, and want game administrators to protect them. Maybe the scenarios you allude to, CelloG, are so outlandish, with numbers so astronomical or depressed, that they truly do distort the game, and bar other players from reasonably participating and competing. If so, I'd love to read illustrative details, to the extent you or current moderators are permitted to cite examples. But right now, my position is that this and similar policies hinder fairness rather than aid it. Edited by Anonymous01 17-10-2012 09:43 I don't know how you could think Dee's scenario isn't an issue. You get a player who does GB searches and finds a bunch of 90 prog players. But they're not hostileable because those managers don't have enough experience. They then go and con these managers into selling them their players via auction. They then flip the player for 100X the price they paid. The issue is that they're tricking new players into selling to them and gaining an unfair advantage. |
17/10/2012 14:34 |
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17/10/2012 15:04 | |
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illex said: Anonymous01 said: Dee12345 said: Manager (We'll call him Zeus) decides to message Manager Noob. Zeus: Sell this 20/14 CF. He's rubbish, but I will buy, and help you make some money! Noob: Wow, you're a nice guy, I'll put on auction! Zeus: jejejeje - I'll bid 2 million for him at the last minute. Zeus then Forecasts the player, and it will show 91 Progression and 94 Forecast. He then re-auctions, advertises, and sells for 160 Million. This happens all the time, has happened 100 times over since the new rule changes, and will continue to happen. As such, I, and many others, find these new rules to be self defeating. Thanks, CelloG, for explaining these rules' rationale. I disagree that even Dee's above scenerio should be punished though. The benefits of allowing these kinds of transactions to go unregulated seem to me to outweigh risks in both the short and long terms. In general, comments here are consistent with my suspicions about some players' support of these policies. Arguments about new managers not being able to afford players is only window dressing for many players' real concerns -- that they, themselves, are being out-competed by other managers, and want game administrators to protect them. Maybe the scenarios you allude to, CelloG, are so outlandish, with numbers so astronomical or depressed, that they truly do distort the game, and bar other players from reasonably participating and competing. If so, I'd love to read illustrative details, to the extent you or current moderators are permitted to cite examples. But right now, my position is that this and similar policies hinder fairness rather than aid it. Edited by Anonymous01 17-10-2012 09:43 I don't know how you could think Dee's scenario isn't an issue. You get a player who does GB searches and finds a bunch of 90 prog players. But they're not hostileable because those managers don't have enough experience. They then go and con these managers into selling them their players via auction. They then flip the player for 100X the price they paid. The issue is that they're tricking new players into selling to them and gaining an unfair advantage. There's a guy in my group who's doing great training with 80+ to 90+ forecast defenders. Of the few players of his I looked at, he bought them for a few $k to a few $m. Cheap. He can't play them all, so I'm assuming he's going to sell most of them at exponential mark-ups. The only difference between this scenario (which is apparently perfectly within the rules) and Dee's is that the <8k experience manager doesn't know the player's forecast. Whose fault is that? It's the game administrators', because they block new managers from seeing players' forecasts. Also, I just got out of div 6. $2m is a huge amount of money in division 6. And, while I'm not arguing that new managers shouldn't get the largest income possible for their players, I don't see how they're hurt by a couple million bucks they're unlikely to have made otherwise, given the game's artificial forecast limits for them. Also, perhaps I'm missing something, but couldn't the same scenario happen to a 8k+ experience player who doesn't have golden balls? Again, the stated objectives here don't seem to line up with the already known and easily predictable outcomes. The motives seem to be very different from what we're being told. |
17/10/2012 18:11 |
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I'm assuming the guy in your group you're referring to is BACK OFF. He does have a pretty nice collection of junior defenders, but looking through them he paid a good amount for a lot of them, and most of them came from people who are pretty well established users. I will agree that there should be a better way to notify players that they've got a really good player, but there isn't at the moment. These people then get conned into thinking that they're getting a good deal, when really they're getting robbed and they don't know any better. 2 million is a good amount of money in division 6, but not when you could have had 50 million for that player. I'm all for finding yourself a good deal in this game and if you can negotiate a deal that makes you feel like you got a good deal, go for it. The users doing this are doing it in excess and using a loophole to build their finances to extreme amounts thanks to making shady deals with people who don't know better, and that shouldn't be allowed. Edited by illex 17-10-2012 18:45 |
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On one side you have a user spending real money (trading) in game currency to take advantage of a service being provided. The problem from the start is giving searches for 90+prog juniors tjat reflect players on teams with less than 8k. The way the system is set up, mamahers arent taking advantage of new users. They are using the servixes already provided. Not too mention that the user buying and selling those fc players have, most likely, a higher weekly expense to maintain. Again back to real money, managers have to spend gbs to unlock forecast and then rename player so that he or she can make a profit. The loophole is people trying to get as much bang for there buck. On the other hand, Managers do make deals that are questionable like the before mentioned. In that case, a div 6 manager should get more money for a 90+fc player. What this new rule does is only bandaid a problem. Eventually, why should i spend money gb searches for players i cant buy for cheap? Isnt that the goal of any business? Get raw material.cheap in order to introduce a product to market with a value worth profiting? |
17/10/2012 19:33 |
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illex said: I'm assuming the guy in your group you're referring to is BACK OFF. He does have a pretty nice collection of junior defenders, but looking through them he paid a good amount for a lot of them, and most of them came from people who are pretty well established users. No, I was referring to a different guy. I don't think the guy I'm referring to is doing anything illegal at all. He just bought players for pennies, trained them for a season or so, and is now about to have a powerhouse backfield (by division 5 standards), and some really solid sales revenue. I think he has very few 90+ juniors, but still, the concept is the same, and for him, he's about to make huge margins on very cheap buys. illex said:I will agree that there should be a better way to notify players that they've got a really good player, but there isn't at the moment. Yea, this is one of the reasons I find these policies poorly-conceived at best, or worse, driven by unstated motives. If we really wanted to ensure <8k experience managers were being treated fairly, we'd just lift all the limitations except those that protect those managers, like the no hostile protection. But a DIV 1/2/3/4 manager making a $100m margin on a $2m buy? How does that hurt me? And what's the effective difference between a huge margin that's roughly consistent with other then-current prices (say only $50m), and one that's double and well above the 'market price'? How am I affected by that? I don't get the $50m, so it's not like I'm losing money. Do I have fewer high forecast players to choose from? Doesn't seem so to me -- the system generates them all the time, and the market is littered with them. I just don't see how these rules protect me, someone who hasn't made the big money 90+ forecast sales. But when I do enter that market, I can easily see how these rules will hurt me, because my incomes will be constrained and capped, while longer-playing managers will have the advantage of large piles of cash, built just by being here longer, or acquired before the introduction of these price constraints. These rules seem to help players who have all the cash and assets already, and no one else. I also agree with much of what cmccourt said above. Edited by Anonymous01 17-10-2012 22:15 |
17/10/2012 20:54 |
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