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grantis45 said: @Rand said: And i know, this does not makes the game fair. But what else can we do? We cannot re-check everygame in every division to see if a player has lost on purpose. Check my calendar, i lost a match last week, because i didnt check the lineup, and i played with 10-man only, because one of them was injured. This breaks rule 9? How i can prove that i didnt want to benefit the other guy? It was really my fault, and no-one else's! However the cheating was clear in this case. There is no doubt, it's been admitted by the parties involved and they tried to use their @ powers to cover it up. That must increase the severity of the punishment. Did you see the fine that Wolves got in the Premier League last season for fielding a deliberately weakened line up. No, that's not what happened. No @ used their powers to do anything. I have spoken to Jeys, and i'm certain he wanted to give his promotion away. You have to think of it guys, these guys play this game as its 2nd game. Their main team is on striker spanish, they do not care this much about this team, as you all do. I can understand the feeling that letting a friend get my promotion spot, under this circumstances. |
12/09/2011 13:27 |
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@Rand said: No @ used their powers to do anything. Incorrect, at least 9 managers were banned. Several of them were given no reason when they messaged the @ who banned them. The bans were not applied equally to all managers who were involved in the forums, those who supported the @s were not banned for discussing this, those who did not support @s were banned. Several managers were accused by @ of unspecified cheating with no evidence or reason provided and threatened with further punishment. I believe this to be using @ powers. |
12/09/2011 13:36 |
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@Rand said: And i know, this does not makes the game fair. But what else can we do? We cannot re-check everygame in every division to see if a player has lost on purpose. Check my calendar, i lost a match last week, because i didnt check the lineup, and i played with 10-man only, because one of them was injured. This breaks rule 9? How i can prove that i didnt want to benefit the other guy? It was really my fault, and no-one else's! Agreed. the difficulties in examining each and every game is nearly impossible. specially when there are cases like resting of players, playing temp promoted players for motivation or simply forgetting to change the line up. But in the cases that do come forward, or are reported, aint an action justified? Just because some infraction is hard to monitor, we cannot declare it as a non-infraction. And by the same logic, is each and every transfer examined? I believe no. in many cases, it is us users who report. |
12/09/2011 13:48 |
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sanyam said: Agreed. the difficulties in examining each and every game is nearly impossible. specially when there are cases like resting of players, playing temp promoted players for motivation or simply forgetting to change the line up. But in the cases that do come forward, or are reported, aint an action justified? Just because some infraction is hard to monitor, we cannot declare it as a non-infraction. And by the same logic, is each and every transfer examined? I believe no. in many cases, it is us users who report. +1 You yourself admit that you won't be able to locate all the cheaters and unusual transactions in this game without the help of managers. And the managers who are complaining here have more or less got atleast 1 cheater caught. And that's the reason why we are telling you to take action against the cheating done here. |
12/09/2011 13:56 |
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@Rand said: No, that's not what happened. We do not consider this action ( losing a game on purpose ) a fact strong enough to apply rule 9 on it. Intentions have nothing to do here. it's like if you buy a player for 10M, even though the standard price is 13M, you won't be punished for that, although it's a bit off-market. Thats another issue almost all managers would like to discuss with admins, the "market prices" set by admins. As different @s, value players differently you can often get more than one value of a player by messaging more than one @. However, i'll stick to the topic. And i know, this does not makes the game fair. But what else can we do? We cannot re-check everygame in every division to see if a player has lost on purpose. In this case you dont have to do that. @dnsvnsk has clearly admitted that the he has fixed the game on purpose!!! He clearly stated that jeys did not want promotion as his first excuse of fixing the game! Already proven, no need to check anything. Edited by solirocket 12-09-2011 14:02 |
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@Rand said: No, that's not what happened. No @ used their powers to do anything. I have spoken to Jeys, and i'm certain he wanted to give his promotion away. And Slipi is quitting at the end of this season and we agreed he would sell a GK to me, now he won't need the GK and want to sell it to me, still no matter what he will have to sell it at the market price, regardless he could sell it for less as we are friends and he won't need, nor want it while i will. Would it be fair to sell it for cheap? No way, both of us would get banned. Just like in case we are discussing, Jeys didnt wan't promotion and @dns wanted it, is it fair to give out promotion for free? Nope. Both cases are not the same, but they are similar and both against the rules. And what's a punishment for us, mere mortals? I had my team reset after i was punished twice for the same fault, which was buying some players cheaper than market price. A team reset after being penalised twice! And in this case they should go away without punishment? No way.. I might be biased because this same @, @dnsvnsk was the one to reset my team, but still - if we, the paying customers must be punished for things of similar level with things like team reset, they should be penalised as well. and is this a statement you would want to hear from a @? <@Dnsvnsk> stop with this matter... will be bettter for you <@Dnsvnsk> ok, carry on... worse for you yes, talking about this very same matter we are discussing here in this thread. |
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Horath said: And Slipi is quitting at the end of this season and we agreed he would sell a GK to me, now he won't need the GK and want to sell it to me, still no matter what he will have to sell it at the market price, regardless he could sell it for less as we are friends and he won't need, nor want it while i will. Would it be fair to sell it for cheap? +1 Using the same logic you used...this action will be ok with both of them, will help one manager get something valuable that another manager doesnt want and wont hurt other people. If you do not sanction @dnsvnsk, I expect you not to sanction deals lower than market because after all...both managers are ok with it, and it doesnt hurt other people. |
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one more thing to add: If you let this issue pass by without sanctions, would 2 managers in div 3 get sanctioned next season if they did the same thing for the last game of the league? Not sanctioning the three managers involved would mean a double standard if you sanction any other manager if he fixed a game for the first time, if did not hurt anyone else...it will mean chaos! |
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slipi said: @Rand said: No @ used their powers to do anything. Incorrect, at least 9 managers were banned. Several of them were given no reason when they messaged the @ who banned them. The bans were not applied equally to all managers who were involved in the forums, those who supported the @s were not banned for discussing this, those who did not support @s were banned. Several managers were accused by @ of unspecified cheating with no evidence or reason provided and threatened with further punishment. I believe this to be using @ powers. Even as I post this, two other managers are still held on retention by @Dnsvnsk so that they cannot post here. ABC DEFG and shadow strike |
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Hey - I'm back! Thanks for unbanning me! Seems @D got a little ban-happy yesterday and banned a bunch of us. @Rand - thanks for looking into @D's blatant rule breaking and abuse of power. |
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