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 On the wake of my last league game loss (not posting the link here) i want to mention certain important points here.

It has reached extremity now. this frustration. the frustration when seeing the opponent keeping their defenders at mid line and as a result trapping us for offsides there. yea i agree its part of the game. part of the drab regressive strategy managers adopt when they dont know how to defend. its okay. its fine. although it kills the beautiful game and the very purose of why we play it, its okay as here the onus is only a win at any cost. even i do it sometimes when playing 'already lost' matches. my frustration is not hence with the offside traps. but at some other thing re;ated to it.

as a manager who study the opponent before the game, we break free of their defenders successfully oversmarting THEIR TACTIC with OUR TACTIC by keeping our players behind at the middle line. Its okay upto there.
What happens next is the thing that pisses me off like s**t. their defenders stomping backwards and tackling us FROM BEHIND. and as players run faster without the ball at their boots than when they run with the ball, also considering a 65+ avg defender will be having considerable speed stat. they can most often outpace our attacker who is making most of the chance they get successfully evading the OT, and impart a challenge mostly earning us a stupid 'not of much use' free kick from way outside rival box.
Now The defender will 80 % escape without a card.( 21 fouls my rival committed today and not even a single card was issued by ref). And even if once in a blue moon they do issue them, it wont affect the game in any way, THEIR game in any way. one of the other player will switch positions for the expelled def and they will play like normal, like the way they played until then. Now let me ask is it supposed to be that way. its clearly unacceptable. Because
1. they tackle us from behind which is clearly a card worthy offense in football. and they get away. Now if they do it 1 or 2 or 3 times it is fine. But how can they keep on doing it and yet escape.
2. they kill off our successfull breaking off their's OTs(actually its a tactical victory of ours over theirs). in a case where it should have resulted in a goal. we will get a waste free kick.
3. even if their defender is sent off by ref it wont affect their game ( have evidence of this on many occassions where i have seen teams with 10 players winning). But having said that here i guess the sending off players is random so it is obvious that the gameplay wont suffer much. But in the cases like above HOW CAN IT BE FAIR ON MANAGERS LIKE ME??? It should indeed affect their game. they deny us the chance to score by 'easy ways' and get away without affecting much of their game play. i want to know on what basis are the cards (yellow, yellow twice or straight red) being 'awarded' to these oversmart tacklers in this game. Is it random? I think it is random. past expereinces have supported that thought.

next part is more of a suggestion. so remaining part of this thread i will continue in Suggestions Forum.

Want some replies. I think the issue i am raising is valid and i deserve some answers from @s as well. Spammers please find some other thread to spend your leisure time. If this keep on happening then i wont be playing this game for much long. as today i felt terribly disappointed watching i lose THAT WAY. 21 Fouls and no cards.. kidding right !!

Edited by lumiere 04-02-2013 16:37 		04/02/2013 15:58
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 Link to Part 2 from Suggestions
http://en.strikermanager.com/foros/hilo.php?id=336094 		04/02/2013 16:53
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 Lumi, it's like you are reading my mind bro. I had the exact thing happen to me today and I have just about had it as well. Breaking the trap is something that took me a long time to work out and several months to find and train the right players to do so. Now, I find the SIM even with slow defenders finds a way to thwart me once again. I receive tons of fouls every game, tackles from behind miles from the opposition penalty area, nothing freekicks, no cards, and as you've mentioned 1 player sent off for a red card or 2 yellows makes little difference.

I thought in div 3 I would finally leave the OT behind me. I thought perhaps better players and tactics. None of it has worked and sure you can play the game how you desire but it's ruined it for me. I've got to the point now, that if the New SIM does not sort out most of these tactical nightmares then I'm out!!!

It's as simple as that. The main part of this game for me is the excitement and tension I feel when I watch my games but when I face the High OT, I just want to scream and smash things around me. That in itself is a sign that I should quit. I really want to get to div 2 where supposedly this high OT is not used but I can't cause I face teams using this tactic and it frustrates the daylights out of me. The new SIM better come thru and save the day cause SM is going to lose many many more of us.

Off to your suggestions thread now. 		04/02/2013 17:23
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 Excellent point, well made. Rather than the usual whining post about OT, and how it's not fair that a 'better' team loses to a 'worse' team, actually a commendable salient point.

I am all for people using a high offside trap - I use one myself sometimes - but it should, on average, have drawbacks proportionate to its benefits, which unfortunately does not seem to be the case right now.

Hopefully the new sim can provide some relief in the form of smarter strikers, higher free kick potency, more punishments for cynical fouls, or some balanced combination of all of the above. 		04/02/2013 19:08
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 Thanks Plenty and sicox for support. 04/02/2013 19:27
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 well tackling and cards are a big issue! its shall sooo not be random! i feel your point on OT, but even if its not OT, the first thing isss tackle and cards! lets sort them out first and then yeah OT aswell! it needs some working out.. and PLEASE for heaven's sake devs! realise the fact that there's a rule in football that you're NOT offside in your own half!!! even if there is not even the keeper in opponent's half, you're simply NOT offside in your own half! please atleast implement the rules of the game! 04/02/2013 19:27
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Sir A. PlentyGoals said:
I thought in div 3 I would finally leave the OT behind me. I thought perhaps better players and tactics. None of it has worked and sure you can play the game how you desire but it's ruined it for me. I've got to the point now, that if the New SIM does not sort out most of these tactical nightmares then I'm out!!!

Exactly man. In higher divs(3 and above) it is generally believed that it is the tactics which win us matches. Teams with superior tactics( normal ones. not the crooked ones) will prevail. But even here in div 3. it is sad to see managers resorting to such negative approach to get them wins rather than playing the game and winning it fairly. I have only 1 thing to say to these guys. You can do it the way you want. May be you will be able to oversmart unfortunate managers like me and Plenty with your so called intelligent high OTs and pacy defenders. But against a real guys who know how how to respond to your crooks, you will be dead. And i am betting that you wont get promoted if you continue using this in div 3. that i can guarantee.

Sir A. PlentyGoals said:
It's as simple as that. The main part of this game for me is the excitement and tension I feel when I watch my games but when I face the High OT, I just want to scream and smash things around me. That in itself is a sign that I should quit. I really want to get to div 2 where supposedly this high OT is not used but I can't cause I face teams using this tactic and it frustrates the daylights out of me. The new SIM better come thru and save the day cause SM is going to lose many many more of us.


I am with you. if this kinda injustice prevails, if i cant get chance to express, if my players are not allowed to at least compete. then so be it. Its hasta la vista SM.

Edited by lumiere 04-02-2013 19:48 		04/02/2013 19:47
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Moodey said:
well tackling and cards are a big issue! its shall sooo not be random! i feel your point on OT, but even if its not OT, the first thing isss tackle and cards! lets sort them out first and then yeah OT aswell! it needs some working out.. and PLEASE for heaven's sake devs! realise the fact that there's a rule in football that you're NOT offside in your own half!!! even if there is not even the keeper in opponent's half, you're simply NOT offside in your own half! please atleast implement the rules of the game!


It can never be random as it is one of the most important part of game, Tackling and cards. And also it should have a consequence. How many times have you guys seen teams with 10 players drawing the match. let alone win it. it happen only n odd occasions. Most times such teams end up on losing side. Here in SM unfortunately its the reverse.
Please address this issue devs. 		04/02/2013 19:53
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 just opinions. i just wanted to mention. there are a few other ways other than just using your player to run pass his during his HIGH OT trap. i've looked at the game and there are obvious loopholes common to the high OT .

The tackles has always been this way with this sim.. the tackles are made to look bad.. sometimes my super CFs themselves knock down defenders and cause a foul. i personally think its part and parcel of the game . Remember one thing.. never forget the strengths of your players. play to the stuff they are good at. then u will see better result ^_^ 		04/02/2013 21:08
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Oh btw. The new sim should be in place soon, and everyone knows this. So it's cool to be frustrated now...so blow off all the steam you like. But my guess is that none of this will be applicable, or things like this will have to be entirely re-evaluated within a week.



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