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I don't think there's anything wrong in the current system, and you can still appeal against a fine, but you got to show some evidence with it, otherwise fiscals are doing a fine job regarding the prices and punishments, when in doubt send a message to any fiscal with the link, and ask him to provide a fair price  Prices not only depends on average and age, it depends on prog and FC and player availability. |
11/08/2012 07:28 |
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@practicesquad said: bowsey1986 said: Two things, 1 you can appeal a fine I have seen many overturned 2 if you buy cheap you will be fined up to market price + certain % I think it's 25 to make up for unpaid tax and as a punishment and if you sell too expensive you will be fined to bring it back down to market price + again the same % I think it's 25 @ feel free to correct me The general rule is 50%, however, this can differ from case to case. Often times it is reduced if the player can prove they made an honest mistake for example. This amount increases if the user being fined has been in trouble recently for the same offense. In some cases, the fines are increased due to the severity and can sometimes (very rarely) lead to team reset. Each case is different, so it's not an absolute. thanks prac i was slightly winging it |
11/08/2012 11:27 |
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I've got a few things I'm genuinely curious about with regarding price range. First, the range on juniors is crazy wide. A 30 average 14 year old can go for $0 all the way up to $200 million. Yes, it obviously all depends on his forecast, but couldn't I buy a junior from a friend for 20 million to essentially give him a loan and just pretend he's 95 FC (when he's really 75 or so)? I assume @'s don't have enough time to do indepth investigations into every non major sale. Obviously if I'm doing this weekly there's going to be a pattern and I'm going to be slapped with a fine, but it just seems like it's too easy for things like this to get through. Along the same lines, couldn't there also be issues with buying from a lower division player for $20 million and turning around and selling that player for 3X that? A division 5 player would be stoked to get that much for a youth player, but that's seems to fall in a sort of weird place in the rules. The basic rules make sense, don't buy a 60 average player that's reached his peak for $10 million or $100 million, but once you add forecasts and progression into the mix the rules seem to get murky and open for interpretation. |
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illex said: just pretend he's 95 FC (when he's really 75 or so)? I assume @'s don't have enough time to do indepth investigations into every non major sale. It really isn't hard to differentiate 95forecast from 75 with training results....just saying  Anyway, you won't be able to sell that player back for same price in that case...I don't think it is allowed. I am just guessing you meant buy player then sell back as you said "to essentially give him a loan". Also I would guess buying to help a friend wouldn't get fined if it is all within market range and it wouldn't fall into "excessive help" |
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illex said: I've got a few things I'm genuinely curious about with regarding price range. First, the range on juniors is crazy wide. A 30 average 14 year old can go for $0 all the way up to $200 million. Yes, it obviously all depends on his forecast, but couldn't I buy a junior from a friend for 20 million to essentially give him a loan and just pretend he's 95 FC (when he's really 75 or so)? I assume @'s don't have enough time to do indepth investigations into every non major sale. Obviously if I'm doing this weekly there's going to be a pattern and I'm going to be slapped with a fine, but it just seems like it's too easy for things like this to get through. Along the same lines, couldn't there also be issues with buying from a lower division player for $20 million and turning around and selling that player for 3X that? A division 5 player would be stoked to get that much for a youth player, but that's seems to fall in a sort of weird place in the rules. The basic rules make sense, don't buy a 60 average player that's reached his peak for $10 million or $100 million, but once you add forecasts and progression into the mix the rules seem to get murky and open for interpretation. Exactly, which can make our job very difficult sometimes. As for your comment on juniors illex, you can also be fined for excess help. Example, someone sells two or three high FC juniors to a friend for next to nothing. Usually there is more to each case than what you see on the top layer and we do our best to find out as much as possible about each transaction we investigate. It's not easy. You know as a fiscal when you take on a case that you may need to give out a fine, but also deal with the backlash/abuse you get as a result of doing your job. It's really not so much about punishing people, as it is finding out as much as you can about a case and giving as fair a judgement as possible. We don't just punish rule breakers, as a result of our work those that play the game within the rules are protected as well. That's our job Edited by @practicesquad 11-08-2012 15:30 |
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Thanks practicesquad, you've answered my general curiosity regarding what sort of thought process goes through the fine process. I just largely want to know what's allowed so that I'm within the rules and don't get slapped with a huge fine because I did something stupid. | 11/08/2012 16:03 |
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"Along the same lines, couldn't there also be issues with buying from a lower division player for $20 million and turning around and selling that player for 3X that? A division 5 player would be stoked to get that much for a youth player, but that's seems to fall in a sort of weird place in the rules. " This is something I feel should be corrected. I don't know if it's cheating per se, but it is definitely wrong as the player knows they will later sell that player for a lot more. That's why I proposed a maximum 150% increase from sale to sale if the player has not made any improvements in average. |
11/08/2012 22:07 |
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KingOftheHill said: "Along the same lines, couldn't there also be issues with buying from a lower division player for $20 million and turning around and selling that player for 3X that? A division 5 player would be stoked to get that much for a youth player, but that's seems to fall in a sort of weird place in the rules. " This is something I feel should be corrected. I don't know if it's cheating per se, but it is definitely wrong as the player knows they will later sell that player for a lot more. That's why I proposed a maximum 150% increase from sale to sale if the player has not made any improvements in average. Would this not be outside the market range then? the fiscals have generously set a 50% grace region for overselling/underselling from the market value. So if manger XWZ buys a player from manager NOOB for 20M and resells for 90M - this is much higher than 50% increase (450%) and i would think should be subject to fine, most certainly scrutiny. EVEN IF the market value was 40M (being super extreme here), placing 20M as the bottom of the market value, 60M should be the most he could resell the player for. Of course we know that no 90FC CF is worth 40M or even 20M, so transactions like this should be bombed if noticed, that way the Fiscals can deal with it. |
12/08/2012 04:44 |
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@Lifeguard said: KingOftheHill said: "Along the same lines, couldn't there also be issues with buying from a lower division player for $20 million and turning around and selling that player for 3X that? A division 5 player would be stoked to get that much for a youth player, but that's seems to fall in a sort of weird place in the rules. " This is something I feel should be corrected. I don't know if it's cheating per se, but it is definitely wrong as the player knows they will later sell that player for a lot more. That's why I proposed a maximum 150% increase from sale to sale if the player has not made any improvements in average. Would this not be outside the market range then? the fiscals have generously set a 50% grace region for overselling/underselling from the market value. So if manger XWZ buys a player from manager NOOB for 20M and resells for 90M - this is much higher than 50% increase (450%) and i would think should be subject to fine, most certainly scrutiny. EVEN IF the market value was 40M (being super extreme here), placing 20M as the bottom of the market value, 60M should be the most he could resell the player for. Of course we know that no 90FC CF is worth 40M or even 20M, so transactions like this should be bombed if noticed, that way the Fiscals can deal with it. Oh, I was not aware of this. So if I saw a player bought at 30M and sold at 90M two days later, that is illegal? I have seen this more than once. |
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KingOftheHill said: Oh, I was not aware of this. So if I saw a player bought at 30M and sold at 90M two days later, that is illegal? I have seen this more than once. I would say it's illegal, but report it using the bomb button, and the fiscals will review it. |
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