Striker Manager. Position versatility change needed

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@Buckeye623 Fiscal 1769 msgs. International	At present, even with good versatility, DFM and CDF are viewed as very different in the game. This does not need to be the case. The role of DFM is/was no different than if a CDF had more speed and range. If CDF and DFM were actually different.. Barca couldn't task Mascherano with CDF responsibilities while he is DFM on the national team. I realize it's unusual to have M and D switch like this.. but it's the one situation justifying a code change.	23/10/2014 23:20
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@Buckeye623 Fiscal 1769 msgs. International	This would mean that CDF <-> DFM switches would be similar to CDF-RDF and DFM-IM switches.. eg, not much loss at all once your versatility is 80 or above. It makes total sense.. all the attributes of CDF are the same as what's asked in DFM. In fact it would create the interesting market effect of increasing the value of a DFM with high versatility, and slightly depressing the value of CDF.. as DFM's could be used as CDF for only a couple of overall points loss.	24/10/2014 01:10
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mr_euskaltel Username 138 msgs. Substitute	agreed, r/l m's being red in a fullback position ignores reality too.	24/10/2014 02:55
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@vgates Fiscal 4207 msgs. Best scorer	While the suggestion is well made regarding versatility overall, there are already many teams that use players out of position. They create the advanced formation using the typical position, then change the formation for the specific position they want to use. For example, there are many teams that use DFM in place of CDF. For example, LDF DFM DFM RDF. They do not have a avg loss because they simply move the CDF up one slot to the DFM default position when the ball is center pitch in advanced formation.	24/10/2014 06:09
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@Buckeye623 Fiscal 1769 msgs. International	Mascherano is actually playing as CDF.. he's not out of position. If you agree that CDF and DFM are in fact very similar, then please change the code to reflect that. It wouldn't be much of a change. The only issue would be the absolute performance of the players.. eg does a CDF with an 80 ballsteal perform any differently than a DFM with an 80 ballsteal? Hopefully not.	24/10/2014 13:59
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@illex Fiscal 3449 msgs. Best scorer	Buckeye623 said: Mascherano is actually playing as CDF.. he's not out of position. If you agree that CDF and DFM are in fact very similar, then please change the code to reflect that. It wouldn't be much of a change. The only issue would be the absolute performance of the players.. eg does a CDF with an 80 ballsteal perform any differently than a DFM with an 80 ballsteal? Hopefully not. What vgates is saying is that it doesn't matter much what a players position is in the game, it's how you use them. For example, I regularly switch between IM and DFM for my deep lying midfielder. I just move that players starting position in the formation so I get their full average from them, they still play in the same general position. I could do the same with my CDF's if I wanted to replace them with DFM's. They'll play a little differently, but I don't think it'd be that much. the one thing you need to watch is positioning of the tactic lines. If your yellow tactic line is too far back, your DFM's can run too far back as well. Edited by @illex 24-10-2014 20:05	24/10/2014 20:04
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usermarwan Username 963 msgs. MVP of the game	@illex said: Buckeye623 said: Mascherano is actually playing as CDF.. he's not out of position. If you agree that CDF and DFM are in fact very similar, then please change the code to reflect that. It wouldn't be much of a change. The only issue would be the absolute performance of the players.. eg does a CDF with an 80 ballsteal perform any differently than a DFM with an 80 ballsteal? Hopefully not. What vgates is saying is that it doesn't matter much what a players position is in the game, it's how you use them. For example, I regularly switch between IM and DFM for my deep lying midfielder. I just move that players starting position in the formation so I get their full average from them, they still play in the same general position. I could do the same with my CDF's if I wanted to replace them with DFM's. They'll play a little differently, but I don't think it'd be that much. the one thing you need to watch is positioning of the tactic lines. If your yellow tactic line is too far back, your DFM's can run too far back as well. Edited by @illex 24-10-2014 20:05 The only case I see in this topic, is when one of your defenders gets a red card and your DFM takes their place.. this is 100% true what happens but let's say you don't have a DFM in your formation and your IM or other position will have to take the (CDF, RDF,LDF) place; these players usually have very bad defending (worse than DFM)... What I suggest is to add an option for "Advanced tactics" which says in case of a defender gets a red card (substitute "x" with "x") another one if a mid gets a red card substitute "x position" with "x" (a player you choose) This would be very useful, it doesn't matter what position in mid or defense gets a red card because the substitute will be also a def or mid depending on the case and would be good for the position!	24/10/2014 23:01
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usermarwan Username 963 msgs. MVP of the game	@vgates said: While the suggestion is well made regarding versatility overall, there are already many teams that use players out of position. They create the advanced formation using the typical position, then change the formation for the specific position they want to use. For example, there are many teams that use DFM in place of CDF. For example, LDF DFM DFM RDF. They do not have a avg loss because they simply move the CDF up one slot to the DFM default position when the ball is center pitch in advanced formation. That's true but I think that these players even if in line up are in position, but on the pitch they are not.. they won't be effective players as compared to playing in their position.	24/10/2014 23:04
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@Buckeye623 Fiscal 1769 msgs. International	Exactly, that's the next question. Does "BallSteal" at 80 for DFM generate the same result on the pitch as "BallSteal" at 80 for CDF? Or does the CDF intercept more attacks with its 80 than the DFM does?	26/10/2014 22:30
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