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 Hmm, well I see your point, but how come I have never had a player in that situation? Not to say player that has been loaned to me never dropped under 90.
I would basically need to lose 7+ games in a row, get in the red and couldn't get out of it for more than 2 weeks. I would lose my team, wouldn't I?
Unless there is another issue why certain player has low morale.
Don't know how is it in higher divisions....


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 Luci ! You really a smarther guy than ever to think of,all your points goes in a narrow way that i dont even think of.
But to my own opinion the dev could change their own law before the callback button appear
1)maybe by training<if not train for 3 days>
2)have bellow 55%motivation<once the motivation drop the button will appear>
I think these two things can be judge to your word 		01/07/2013 17:09
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 How about paying a loan back fee so if the player you loaned isn't training the way you like him to you there is an option where you pay let's say 5 mil for a senior player to bring him back and 2 million to bring a junior player back so the guy who had the player loaned to will make a bit of money as consolation and the person who loaned him will have him back. 01/07/2013 17:20
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 Did the loan-in player pay money when he want to loan him from his normal team.? NO !
Soo I dont think that normal to add to callback your player,this thing happen to me last season I loan out a IM 50% but it dont gain more than 1% for all the 80days
Legiapolska said:
How about paying a loan back fee so if the player you loaned isn't training the way you like him to you there is an option where you pay let's say 5 mil for a senior player to bring him back and 2 million to bring a junior player back so the guy who had the player loaned to will make a bit of money as consolation and the person who loaned him will have him back.

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Hadigun said:
Luci ! You really a smarther guy than ever to think of,all your points goes in a narrow way that i dont even think of.
But to my own opinion the dev could change their own law before the callback button appear
1)maybe by training<if not train for 3 days>
2)have bellow 55%motivation<once the motivation drop the button will appear>
I think these two things can be judge to your word


This actually would be a very good way to do it. But also, I would not put 3 days, but less then 5 days a week (as once every 3 days doesn't help me at all). 		01/07/2013 17:56
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Hadigun said:
Luci ! You really a smarther guy than ever to think of,all your points goes in a narrow way that i dont even think of.
But to my own opinion the dev could change their own law before the callback button appear
1)maybe by training<if not train for 3 days>
2)have bellow 55%motivation<once the motivation drop the button will appear>
I think these two things can be judge to your word



There are managers who agree on 3-4 days of training if they are training multiple positions. So if I dont for 3 days you simply call back the player any time you want? It wouldnt make a difference really if its a junior but what if its a senior player and you really depend on that loan.?

At times when you temp promote juniors the line up is messed up and players do end up getting wrong motivations. If its a friday then the player is stuck at that motivation for 3 days. Mistakes do happen but just because it screwed up motivation once doesnt really justify calling back the loan. 		01/07/2013 17:59
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Legiapolska said:
How about paying a loan back fee so if the player you loaned isn't training the way you like him to you there is an option where you pay let's say 5 mil for a senior player to bring him back and 2 million to bring a junior player back so the guy who had the player loaned to will make a bit of money as consolation and the person who loaned him will have him back.


Again a really bad suggestion in my view.

Reason: If i loan out a player to someone in my grp and I am placed 12th on board and that manager is placed 13th on board with exact same points and its one of the most important games for you that determines if you stay up or relegate. I simply pay a fee and call back my player just before the game and that player is really important to the manager then what? You intentionally cheat and make him relegate to save yourself. If this happens to you would you even agree. I doubt it. You may cry around and talk foul about the manager but in reality he never broke the rules so there is nothing that can be done. Now tell me would you still give this suggestion?

Over that a petty fee of 2m and 5m are nothing as compared to what salary the manager pays. I have seen loaned players having salary as high as 3-7m. If you calculate the amount paid by that manager the fee you pay is just low. And as stated above it never will help anyone. 		01/07/2013 18:04
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lucifercave said:
There are managers who agree on 3-4 days of training if they are training multiple positions. So if I dont for 3 days you simply call back the player any time you want? It wouldnt make a difference really if its a junior but what if its a senior player and you really depend on that loan.?

At times when you temp promote juniors the line up is messed up and players do end up getting wrong motivations. If its a friday then the player is stuck at that motivation for 3 days. Mistakes do happen but just because it screwed up motivation once doesnt really justify calling back the loan.


But if we have agreed on something, why would I call the player back?

Or maybe they could put options: loaning players 3 days training, loaning players 4, 5, 6 days training....

But that is probably to complicated, but I do think that if people do agree something and both parties have a deal which is honored, nobody would take the player away.

There is also an option that all parties agree via pm what will be done and they keep it. If one of the parties is not keeping to the agreement, the other party could notify a dev, prove what was agreed and than the dev could activate the "call back" button? 		01/07/2013 18:05
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 Personally, I would like to see the loan system get revamped a bit to better resemble real life. Ideally, we would have much more control over the conditions agreed upon. I would very much support the instalment of basic loan contracts.

1. The team loaning out their player is responsible for his wages.

Any reimbursement from the receiving team must be negotiated into the contract, as per real life. To me, this is a no brainer. It allows people to manage their contracts better and allows for a more appropriate arrangement to be made between clubs of different divisions and financial positions.

2. Loans can be arranged for different spells.

I could see it time being relatived options (Full Season, Half Season etc.) or by number of league games (38 games, 19 games, 9 games etc.). This allows us more control over our players. Maybe I am training DFMs and would like to train with my midfielders for half a season and another managers defenders for half a season. Maybe I want extra cover for a weakness, injury or transferred player or just need a rental to ensure promotion. Either way, it is agreed on before hand.

3. Loans can be recalled.

This makes sense to me for a couple of reasons, in addition to being the "real-world" method. As a loaner, I am giving a player out to be played and trained. Since we don't have contracts to be broken (which there should be, perhaps triggering this "recall button" when broken), there are only verbal agreements. As it is, the loanee holds all the power. They can take a player and screw a manager over if they so choose. There is nothing in place right now to prevent this and give the lender any quality control. Basically, you are getting a good player to use for virtually no cost (and don't say "salary" because 95% of loaned players are given for peanuts, even compared to the contracts they would need to play for the host's team) and without any real responsibility.
The easy answer to this is "choose who you loan to better" but I see this as a cop out. We can't always loan to friends and we shouldn't be limited to our cliques simply because loaning is so fearful. The cost of loaning to a bad person should be missing out on a short while of training, not ruining a player for good. By making the host team responsible for the salary and having clear agreements in place, I think we can manage this "honour" system much better. Even then, the host team can reserve the right to recall their player with notice and compensation (of which would be agreed upon before hand).

Regardless of whether we agree or not, making these trades without contracts between managers only encourages failure. I can't really see the current model improving without them...there can't just be a button that let's one side have a dictatorship over the player, especially for the receiving team.







Edited by Heidstra 01-07-2013 19:38 		01/07/2013 19:36
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 You can first message the manager to know whats going on before you act 01/07/2013 19:48
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