@CelloG said:


You've hit the nail on the head: we only hear from the users, not from the developers. This post is all about hearing from the developers, and I can assure you, I have not seen a game that wasn't affected by at least one of the mentioned bugs.



I've seen an average of 5-10% of correct offsides calls. For instance, it is offsides when the ball is passed in front of a player but he doesn't touch it, and then runs to retrieve it. I watched a game today where this resulted in a Striker Cup goal. Most of the offsides calls seem to be defined by whether the player is behind the defender marking him. If there is a defender on the other side who is closer to goal, then the player is not offside, and should not be called as such, but is (again, saw 5 of these in a single Striker Cup game today). So, your experience does not match up with what I have seen in games. Offsides is still broken, and is resulting in significant game changers.



The problem you describe is not what is happening in the games with the bug. What happens is the IM (or DFM, as may be the case) wanders up to the CF position, and stays there, where the CF does not leave the box defined for the other position. @Gunnernic described a workaround: erase your custom formation and create it again from scratch. This seems to prevent the problem, so I think it is very fair to call it a bug, as the same formation shouldn't have different results in a game.



I realize you are trying to provide balance. I tend to compartmentalize. My message singing praises to the developers for this amazing simulator can be found in an earlier thread. However, I think the gigantic leap forward is only a good thing if it isn't matched by a large leap backwards. Any game in the actual league can have a decisive result on whether a team advances or is relegated, and it is not in the long-term interests of developers to have known serious bugs present when the season starts tomorrow. Users will simply quit if their teams can't play correctly through no fault of their own.

Ultimately, the developer @ are getting the message. By appointing us to herd the forum cats, they are recognizing that the game is expanding beyond the Spanish-speaking borders of the existing crop of @, and I believe that over the next few weeks, we will be able to negotiate some better information sharing between those in the know and the rest of us. If not, well, then we'll have to try again with another strategy.

One common truth: both Heidstra and I want the game to get better. Pointing out the good things is one way to do that. Pointing out the flaws and applying pressure to them until they turn into good things is another. Both are very effective, so between the two we will GET IT DONE.

@CelloG said:

You've hit the nail on the head: we only hear from the users, not from the developers. This post is all about hearing from the developers, and I can assure you, I have not seen a game that wasn't affected by at least one of the mentioned bugs.

I've seen an average of 5-10% of correct offsides calls. For instance, it is offsides when the ball is passed in front of a player but he doesn't touch it, and then runs to retrieve it. I watched a game today where this resulted in a Striker Cup goal. Most of the offsides calls seem to be defined by whether the player is behind the defender marking him. If there is a defender on the other side who is closer to goal, then the player is not offside, and should not be called as such, but is (again, saw 5 of these in a single Striker Cup game today). So, your experience does not match up with what I have seen in games. Offsides is still broken, and is resulting in significant game changers.

The problem you describe is not what is happening in the games with the bug. What happens is the IM (or DFM, as may be the case) wanders up to the CF position, and stays there, where the CF does not leave the box defined for the other position. @Gunnernic described a workaround: erase your custom formation and create it again from scratch. This seems to prevent the problem, so I think it is very fair to call it a bug, as the same formation shouldn't have different results in a game.

I realize you are trying to provide balance. I tend to compartmentalize. My message singing praises to the developers for this amazing simulator can be found in an earlier thread. However, I think the gigantic leap forward is only a good thing if it isn't matched by a large leap backwards. Any game in the actual league can have a decisive result on whether a team advances or is relegated, and it is not in the long-term interests of developers to have known serious bugs present when the season starts tomorrow. Users will simply quit if their teams can't play correctly through no fault of their own.

Ultimately, the developer @ are getting the message. By appointing us to herd the forum cats, they are recognizing that the game is expanding beyond the Spanish-speaking borders of the existing crop of @, and I believe that over the next few weeks, we will be able to negotiate some better information sharing between those in the know and the rest of us. If not, well, then we'll have to try again with another strategy.

One common truth: both Heidstra and I want the game to get better. Pointing out the good things is one way to do that. Pointing out the flaws and applying pressure to them until they turn into good things is another. Both are very effective, so between the two we will GET IT DONE.